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Post by lionking on Sun Mar 25, 2012 8:55 am

We are dead against smart meters. We have a sign hung on the meter refusing BC Hydro to install one. They are bad for your health as far as anyone knowing what we do, which is play or watch sports pretty boring.

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Post by lionking on Sun Mar 25, 2012 10:48 am

lionking wrote: We are dead against smart meters. We have a sign hung on the meter refusing BC Hydro to install one. They are bad for your health as far as anyone knowing what we do, which is play or watch sports pretty boring.

On the radio the other day it said if you do not want a smart to get in contact with Hydro and, they will delay installing one on your house.


Below I was sent this e-mail letter which helps explain our position in this matter.


FW: transmitting devices - federal radio act

Transmitter in smart meters, are regulated by the federal government, ONLY. The province has no jurisdiction in the matter. It falls under the federal Radio Act which is the responsibility of Industry Canada. The Radio Act has no provision under which a transmitter of any [b]type may be installed on private property without the consent of the owner. The Clean Air Act makes no mention of transmitters and neither do the Tariffs that regulate BC Hydro. They cannot mandate the installation of transmitters as the province has no authority in law to do so.
BC Hydro does not have legal authority to install a transmitter of any type on private property. It is purely a business policy decision that the consumer is not party to. Nor has the consumer consented to this policy via any terms and conditions of the supply of electricity. Those terms and conditions are part of the Tariffs that regulate BC Hydro and are not up to BC Hydro to decide

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Post by lionking on Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:01 am

lionking wrote:
lionking wrote: We are dead against smart meters. We have a sign hung on the meter refusing BC Hydro to install one. They are bad for your health as far as anyone knowing what we do, which is play or watch sports pretty boring.

On the radio the other day it said if you do not want a smart to get in contact with Hydro and, they will delay installing one on your house.


Below I was sent this e-mail letter which helps explain our position in this matter.


FW: transmitting devices - federal radio act

Transmitter in smart meters, are regulated by the federal government, ONLY. The province has no jurisdiction in the matter. It falls under the federal Radio Act which is the responsibility of Industry Canada. The Radio Act has no provision under which a transmitter of any [b]type may be installed on private property without the consent of the owner. The Clean Air Act makes no mention of transmitters and neither do the Tariffs that regulate BC Hydro. They cannot mandate the installation of transmitters as the province has no authority in law to do so.
BC Hydro does not have legal authority to install a transmitter of any type on private property. It is purely a business policy decision that the consumer is not party to. Nor has the consumer consented to this policy via any terms and conditions of the supply of electricity. Those terms and conditions are part of the Tariffs that regulate BC Hydro and are not up to BC Hydro to decide

Here is more information for you to look at.Subject: Fw: smart meter update Dec. 5

1) New appliances give off radiation in preparation for communicating with smart meters. Even without the smart meter, this fridge is emitting 24/7. Take care of your old appliances!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqomG3xmAcQ&feature=related
2) Information about the hackability of smart meters:
Smart Meters Can Be Hacked
Written by Jordon Robertson, AP Technology Writer, March 26, 2010
(http://www.TheBusinessJournal.Com/Energy/4343-AP-Exclusive-Smart-Meters-Can-Be-Hacked)
3) A very interesting and informative ebook about the entire smart meter picture. After you read it, please share it with others and ask them to write their MLAs, the media, the Privacy Commissioner with concerns.
http://refusesmartmeters.com/smart%20meter%20aug%2026.pdf

4) From our friends in California: The government and industry are not just irradiating the public space via Smart Meters, but they are also rolling out "smart" appliances," which you all need to be aware of. These "smart" appliances have contained within them an RF transmitter, which emits radiation. See this post from Cindy Sage in EMF Safety Network where she discusses a call she got from Dr. Sam Milham who measured the appliance emissions.
You will, if you are unaware, be bringing radiation, along with your new washer, dryer or refrigerator, right into your home. Those appliances' emissions will then mix with your wi fi, cordless phones and other devices creating a radiation "soup."
Some of the manufacturers have already rolled these out. One example that I wrote about recently are the printers which are being sold. I have visited Office Max, Office Depot and Staples, and they have already converted almost all of their stock of printers to wireless, which emit radiation in the turned on, plugged in mode, even if you are not using it.
As someone else has commented, the last thing manufacturers want is a warehouse full of unsold "smart" appliances. So expect to see a lot of advertising and promotions to sell these items, but they won't tell you about the radiation. They have, for example, a "cash for appliances" program (similar to cash for clunkers) which will encourage consumers to get rid of their old appliances and "do the right thing" and purchase "smart" appliances.
It could become quite difficult, if they are successful, to find safe non radiation emitting appliances. We consumers, though actually have the power of our pocketbooks We can also start a letter writing campaign to the manufacturers and stores which sell or plan to sell them.
I have more links and lots more brands. I was going to ask the group if anyone has knowledge that the appliances are "stealth" emitters. After visiting lots of promos and industry sites, it appears that these companies are proud of the new designs. They tell people to use the “touch screen’s” on the appliances to price the energy expenditure, or program the preheat time, or the wash cycle, etc. They are sold as interactive. Anyway, here is the list so far:
"SMART" BRANDS
General Electric
Washer
Dryer
Refrigerator
Water heater
Dishwasher
Double oven range
Thermostat
Whirlpool
Washer
Dryer
Dishwasher
Water heater
Refrigerator
Electrolux
Refrigerator
Samsung
Wifi Refrigerator
Oven
Washer
Haier
Refrigerator
Air conditioner
Washing machiness
Bosch
Washer
Dryer
Kenmore (Sears)
Oven
Refrigerator
Dishwasher
Laundry appliances
Indesit
Washer

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Shove the smart meter up your ass

Post by CanAbyss on Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:39 am

Fuck off with the smart meter thing. We get it. Go to assholes.ca if you need to find like minded retards.

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Post by lionking on Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:45 am

CanAbyss wrote:Fuck off with the smart meter thing. We get it. Go to assholes.ca if you need to find like minded retards.
Hey Boy watch your language your not talking to your kids hey. If you have to talk like that, please refrain from visiting my forum K Smile

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Post by Possum on Sun Mar 25, 2012 2:01 pm

CanAbyss I agree with you. There are a collection of goofs out there that have no clue but eagerly waft along on science that's akin to alchemy. The meter belongs to BCHydro and if you don't want them to change them then they can pull your power.

A transmission that lasts 30 seconds a day ain't going to hurt anything but your pocketbook. Like the infamous bunny says, "What a bunch of maroons."

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Post by lionking on Sun Mar 25, 2012 8:54 pm

Possum wrote:CanAbyss I agree with you. There are a collection of goofs out there that have no clue but eagerly waft along on science that's akin to alchemy. The meter belongs to BCHydro and if you don't want them to change them then they can pull your power.

A transmission that lasts 30 seconds a day ain't going to hurt anything but your pocketbook. Like the infamous bunny says, "What a bunch of maroons."


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Post by Possum on Mon Mar 26, 2012 2:08 am

Wow, I have trouble believing you believe the misinformation posted above. I think we should all do a little real research about what a smart meter is and does. A week or so ago a hydro spokesman on the news said that if you do not want the new meter on your house they suggest you buy a powerful generator. Ask BooBoo how much those cost.

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Post by Jeckle on Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:38 am

CanAbyss wrote:Fuck off with the smart meter thing. We get it. Go to assholes.ca if you need to find like minded retards.
Did you not notice the words "Smart Meters" in the title?
Yet you clicked on it anyways, and surprise, surprise, it's a thread about smart meters.
Who would of figured that eh?

Honestly. Rolling Eyes

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Post by CanAbyss on Mon Mar 26, 2012 3:32 pm

Um your coming in stupid, please repeat. What is it your trying to say?

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Post by Jeckle on Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:11 am

CanAbyss wrote:Um your coming in stupid, please repeat. What is it your trying to say?

I'll type slower for you.
It's...
called....
Internet....
Etiquette....

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Post by CanAbyss on Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:57 am

You mean etiquette, where a person should not reply to a post if they have nothing to add other than to criticize a persons post? Are you a pot or a kettle?

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Post by Jeckle on Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:20 am

CanAbyss wrote:You mean etiquette, where a person should not reply to a post if they have nothing to add other than to criticize a persons post? Are you a pot or a kettle?
Just sayin' there are proper manners when it comes to the internet.
Whatever, you wanna feel tough, and tell people to Fuck off when they start a thread you have no interest in....
Flame On!

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Post by chrisale on Wed Mar 28, 2012 12:34 pm

Just want to let people know.... I've had a smart meter for over a month now.

I am still cancer free. My cats have not grown an extra toe... and, more seriously, it hasn't affected my WIFI or 3G reception. (not that I expected it to)

I did get a shock on my bill HOWEVER it was because when they switched the meter they revoked my previous bill (november-january), credited my account, and then reissued a new bill with november-january+the days up to the point the old meter was removed... so it looked much bigger than normal. I expect the next bill to be smaller than normal simply because it will be for less days.

The new meter started at 0. Which in a geeky kind of way, was cool.

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Post by lionking on Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:08 am

chrisale wrote:Just want to let people know.... I've had a smart meter for over a month now.

I am still cancer free. My cats have not grown an extra toe... and, more seriously, it hasn't affected my WIFI or 3G reception. (not that I expected it to)

I did get a shock on my bill HOWEVER it was because when they switched the meter they revoked my previous bill (november-january), credited my account, and then reissued a new bill with november-january+the days up to the point the old meter was removed... so it looked much bigger than normal. I expect the next bill to be smaller than normal simply because it will be for less days.

The new meter started at 0. Which in a geeky kind of way, was cool.

There have been a lot of people who have gotten sick from smart meters. I will send video tapes showing you how many people who have had headaches, get sick and throw up etc. I also have seen plants and bushes below and around the smart meters dying after they were installed.
I am happy to hear that you are still cancer free, Keep checking those toes on your cat you never know a month isn't very long hehehehe!

This IMO is just another thing along with everything else showing that we HAVE NO CONTROL OVER OUR LIVES ANYMORE! IF THEY LET OIL COME THROUGH BC IMO THAT COULD BE ANOTHER DISASTER JUST WAITING TO HAPPEN, I GET UPSET WHEN I THINK OF ALL FISH, BIRDS, WHALES, DOLPHINS, THAT DIE BECAUSE OF THE OIL SPILLS AND, ALL FOR THE SAKE OF MONEY!!!
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Post by CanAbyss on Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:28 pm

Jeckle wrote:
Just sayin' there are proper manners when it comes to the internet.
Whatever, you wanna feel tough, and tell people to Fuck off when they start a thread you have no interest in....
Flame On!

What are you? The internet police? Loincloth is obviously a few bricks short of a load and by repeating such nonsense demonstrates that. I have no use for stupid people and for people who defend stupid people. So in closing. Jeckle.....Fuck off.

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Post by lionking on Thu Mar 29, 2012 8:17 pm

CanAbyss wrote:
Jeckle wrote:
Just sayin' there are proper manners when it comes to the internet.
Whatever, you wanna feel tough, and tell people to Fuck off when they start a thread you have no interest in....
Flame On!

What are you? The internet police? Loincloth is obviously a few bricks short of a load and by repeating such nonsense demonstrates that. I have no use for stupid people and for people who defend stupid people. So in closing. Jeckle.....Fuck off.

I think your Avatar has made you an angry person, you know that stuff eats your brain cells and, it's obvious you don't have many more to loose. Do not comment or quote on any of my forums! I will ask the owner of the bog to stop you. I have no time to read anything you have to say, GROW UP Evil or Very Mad

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Post by Jeckle on Thu Mar 29, 2012 8:22 pm

CanAbyss wrote:

What are you? The internet police? Loincloth is obviously a few bricks short of a load and by repeating such nonsense demonstrates that. I have no use for stupid people and for people who defend stupid people. So in closing. Jeckle.....Fuck off.

Careful CanAbyss, you may hurt my feeling. Crying or Very sad

Hug? I love you

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Post by CanAbyss on Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:02 pm

Jeckle wrote:
Careful CanAbyss, you may hurt my feeling. Crying or Very sad

Hug? I love you

I'm sure you will get over it.

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Post by CanAbyss on Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:29 pm

lionking wrote:
I think your Avatar has made you an angry person, you know that stuff eats your brain cells and, it's obvious you don't have many more to loose. Do not comment or quote on any of my forums! I will ask the owner of the bog to stop you. I have no time to read anything you have to say, GROW UP Evil or Very Mad


WOW. I just dont know where to start. The Avatar comment, the forum you seem to think you own, or the Bog, Well lets break this down a little bit shall we.
This website you visit is a forum. A forum is where people gather to exchange opinions and to have their opinions ripped to shreds if it is stupid or the very least lacking common sense. ( ie Smart meters and the Tumors they cause or the interfering wave signals that are bringing down Jets.. you know that kind of garbage). If you offer an intelligent opinion or a little interesting tid bit of factual relevant information to life or current events, most will read and ignore, and the small percentile will comment if they are aligned some how with that view point. TomW owns this forum and he also moderates it. ( thats a little hint on who to go cry to that your feelings are hurt because you have been taken to task on the topic you started.)
Now for a little lecture on avatars. Those are the cute little IMAGES beside a screen name. Could be a cat vomiting or a ROBOT ( hint, thats what the moderators avatar looks like, psst and also he goes under the name of ADMIN) What you have is my screen name of CanAbyss. I could go on a long explanation of the Canadian Abyss and how it is a homonym with Cannabis but its funner to have people immediately past judgment and look stupid trying to insult me by some how thinking that drugs are behind my reply.
Now I will spare the average reader what a Bog is as most know. What your are trying to spell, and are having a hard time doing, is BLOG. I will let you go do some home work and hopefully when you report back to apologize for being a newb, ( that is a slang term for a person new to something) you can explain to all of us what a BLOG really is.




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Re: Smart Meters are coming Monday ???

Post by Possum on Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:10 pm

I eagerly await a debate between Loincloth, BigTurd and a medium sized rock. Somehow I think the rock will win out over the other two suggested for the debate.

I cannot believe that people actually believe the tripe they post and then get upset by others not going along with their mind boggling, intellect confronting posts.

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Re: Smart Meters are coming Monday ???

Post by lionking on Fri Mar 30, 2012 4:53 am

Possum wrote:I eagerly await a debate between Loincloth, BigTurd and a medium sized rock. Somehow I think the rock will win out over the other two suggested for the debate.

I cannot believe that people actually believe the tripe they post and then get upset by others not going along with their mind boggling, intellect confronting posts.

Look you old fool go play with the Navy League kids, they have no choice but to put up with your foolishness. I don't want to talk to ignorant disrespectful people who get a charge out of being Jerks. I will refrain from answering anything else you or the other jerk write. Smile

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Re: Smart Meters are coming Monday ???

Post by Jeckle on Fri Mar 30, 2012 9:05 am

CanAbyss wrote:

I'm sure you will get over it.

Time heals.
Someone has to be the grownup and walk away from completely useless conversation.
I'm quite sure that junior high school was the last time someone told me to F'off. Even seemed childish back then.
Interesting watching you try to teach internet lingo to Lionking when that's similar to what worked you up into such a lather in the first place.
Oh well, keeps things interesting....

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Re: Smart Meters are coming Monday ???

Post by CanAbyss on Sat Mar 31, 2012 5:44 pm

Jeckle wrote:Interesting watching you try to teach internet lingo to Lionking when that's similar to what worked you up into such a lather in the first place.
Oh well, keeps things interesting....

HUH??? The fool needed educating. Didn't get me in a lather. Just had to set the tone that nonsense wont be tolerated and because we have a wonderfully free forum here I can speak out and say what the majority think. Now go away. You have strike sandwich boards and picket signs to make.

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